Some Facts on Torygate

[ToryBasher]

Polemides

Today someone mentioned me to me i owed you an explanation for my behaviour and gave me an outline of the thread. So here goes.

1) Poaching never happened by me and i strongly suspect by any other Inquistor. I have seen Sorenda do this loads and frankly i dont care, everyone he poached has enjoyed the game and is better off for it. I dont have a problem with poaching, its a side effect and not the source of problems. It did appear somewhat disconnected from reality for B&Q officers to be complaining to Inq officers officers about this, when:
a) the accusations where based on nothing, no one had said "hey you poached me".
b) Sor had even tried to poach this Inq (Dogstar) officer only months earlier.

2) What me and Macbeth talked, private conversation but fook it i will tell you all but 1 aspect of it (for the love of god just talk to him to vet this version, why have none done so already, is it becuase it would rob you an easy target to blame?):

a) HitBox was pissed off in Inquisitors and i asked MacBeth to give him a warm welcome if he came too B&Q. He then invited me on vent.
b) MacBeth complained about Sor and the numerous b1tchy remarks he made about me.
c) I complained about Prelate and his mission to stick the boot into me when possible.
d) MacBeth complained about being ignored for ToVL runs in favour of non guild people.


3) Why i didn't answer your post earlier. Honesly i did not know, even before my access got restricted i was dreading reading this forum. In the space of 2 weeks i had PMs from Prelate complaining about
a) Me talking to legend on alliance chat - btw here he threated to kick me from forums for being smart arse. Check your forum logs, true story.
b) Mohel asking people for guards in SC.
c) Krevedo being agressive.
d) Kohusho being agressive.
e) Finally after initial support from Baz my access got restricted. I got the hint and did not relog untill today

4) What you do not know of Polimedies is that Prelate is after my blood and not just pm'ing me abuse like c@nt or jumping on some WHA band wagon to run down an easy Inquisitor target. This is my honest analysis in summary, that a few individuals have fostered a sense of paranoia and resentment. To be fair it does not matter, B&Q is a great community, a big community, the alliance needed you more than B&Q needed the alliance. Leaving us may prove to be right thing to do and a vibrant community like B&Q is well placed to do well on its own. I will miss the banter with Poleaxe, Sorenda, Tinpriest, Butche, Kabane and the calm heads like Limyrill, Konfus and Baz.

King regards (S) Torybasher
-oh had to rename myself recently, after almost 2 years someone complaied about my character being too political. Still best i dont jump at shawdows and point fingers like a paranoid with a grudge.

[Sorinda]

So you've now resorted to name calling and finger pointing. Show me one thread where I name you publicly. Frankly I'm hugely dissappointed. I work tirelessly for this guild and am fiercly loyal to it. I had given you support throughout your time with BnQ only to be slapped in face by you.
It's also come to my attention that you've been slandering members who were not even in the country to have said things about you.
It appears you have become bitter and twisted after you elevation to a power role. I now take everything you say with a huge pinch of salt and any occasion where I've supported you by saying you would not of done this or that, I now retract. It's is obvious that you are capable of anything and as a rat trapped in a corner, go for the throat to save yourself. Good luck in your future smear campaigns.

Ps. I like stories, therefore I find your name offensive, please change it.

[Prelate]

Ah, (S)torygate, brilliant :)

Well it's nice to see you still have vivid imagination. Or maybe just dyslexia.
For reading that I complained for BW asking guard. And you know even yourself that those other names and their behaviour were delivered in those PM's by member of Inquisitors.

After you had made several "subtle" smart ass remarks on me and other guild members, I answered petty grudges should be taken off forums and talked over in private. Well in word to word aswer was this.


Ach, so. I thought there was some personal grudge behind there. However open forums are not the place to deal with them. Wider guild politics as well as smartass remarks should be kept small scale, so they don't ruin atmosphere on wider scale.

Full link to post: http://immune-systems.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=5105

So keep dreaming about me threatening to kick you off the forums, or better yet get some help on your reading disorder.

It's true that I don't miss you, but it warms my heart to see I had such a huge impact on you though. Keep up doing what ever you are doing and best of luck, It's only a game bro.

Ps. I'm out of game so you can cross one name off your paranoia.

[Kabane]

Polemides


2) What me and Macbeth talked, private conversation but fook it i will tell you all but 1 aspect of it (for the love of god just talk to him to vet this version, why have none done so already, is it becuase it would rob you an easy target to blame?):


d) MacBeth complained about being ignored for ToVL runs in favour of non guild people.



Gota say i love this bit.
1- Macbeth went into Anon as soon as he left the guild, While on vent with no word to anyone, Why the feck do we care to pm and ask him whats going on if he cant be bothered to even say im leaving chap's..

2- MACBETH was IN a Tovl grp, Mine!, he didnt bother turning up for the grp runs why the fuck would i keep him in that grp if he can be bothered to even say soz guys rl stuff couldnt make it, so i dropped him for other ppl, When Macbeth WAS online and ppl were looking for TOVL/LV ppl he couldnt be bothered to answer the replys for help.


im reading through the rest of your replys Tory, Why did u bother? your just opening old wounds that we are working hard to get away from. and tbh im quite disapointed.

Kabane

[Torryfys]

Actually I don't know much about this, I am not into deeper aspects of joining guilds other than having people to play together :)

But still, I have my opinion to share. It could be wrong and I apologise if it is, but I'll tell you what I think. And here it is.
I feel a lot of hate in these posts, and this doesn't make me happy at all. It looks like a love story ended bad: all of a sudden the two guys start accusing each other for this and that, and what they felt for the other is forgotten.

Tory, to me you always looked like a nice guy, who wanted good things to happen in our guild and made efforts to reach goals (hell, I was even proud cause I had a name which looked like that of an alt of yours :p). This said, what you can read here on the (by now too much)famous post is bad. I think that what causes this tension between you and us, intended as B&Q community, is misunderstanding and hasty talking (or better, I should say writing).

I think we all are mature enough people who will be able to handle this discussion.. But I think that lowering the tone of posts is the first thing to be done in order to reach this goal.

Don't flame me if I said something which doesn't make sense :p And sorry for my not-so-good english, I hope I menaged to make a readable post :)

[ToryBasher]

Sor, Kabane, come on now, i rate you chaps highly. you want to label me a poacher without evidence then go ahead, you dont want to check the pm logs fine, you dont want to chat to MacBeth fine, thats all fine go ahead and convict me. Best of luck in the future i swear to you i wont bother your excellant forums again.

[pbaz]

Glad you finally dropped by to give your side of the story, Pete.

e) Finally after initial support from Baz my access got restricted. I got the hint and did not relog untill today

I fought for balance and moderation as long as I could. In the end, however events conspired in such a way as to make it impossible for me to keep B&Q within our previous alliance...

I said this elsewhere, and I stand by this comment 100%:

I want to be extremely clear on this most important point: I took the personal decision to remove us from our previous alliance in order to protect the B&Q community. This was a decision taken purely in the guild's interests and had nothing to do with any individual person.

You were not the reason for our departure from the alliance, Pete (and don't listen to anyone telling you otherwise). Similarly, none of my officers were responsible for "poisoning" me against you. My assessment of the situation went like this:



A very high-profile and charismatic leader leaves B&Q to join a different guild in the alliance
A trickle of people follow this leader from B&Q to the other guild - this is entirely expected and understandable (they probably played regularly with this leader and like his style)
After several weeks, B&Q is still experiencing a small outflow of players from her rank
I decide that the situation makes it too easy for people to leave B&Q (after all, we are still just in /as chat - people can leave our guild with no real impact whatsoever)
I remove B&Q from the previous alliance, in order to force people to think carefully and fully about their next move

There was (for B&Q) a significant structural problem with the previous alliance. And no amount of discussion, negotiation or horse-trading would have solved that structural problem. In order to protect our community as much as possible, I had to act in the way that I did.

I have little interest in the personal aspect of this decision (although I note that you have somehow managed to ire a handful of my officers and I respect and value their judgment most highly). As far as I am concerned, you were a fantastic source of energy in B&Q while you were a member. And for all of that effort and contribution you have my sincere thanks.

I wish you (and all of our ex-guildies!) the best for the future. After all, we remain fighting for the same side...

:beer:

[konfuzfanten]

I dont se anything good coming out if this thread, Tory have told his side of the story, lets move on.

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[Peavey]

I will add this to my personal best quote ever:
Prelate is after my blood

I find it quite amusing particularly after re-reading both the Snowy's Alliance Chat post and the RVR post. Well, in particular the RVR post reference.

I think the only one that has been consistent in putting few people in the spotlight openly (for a bash) is the former/author.

And even so, I'd like to just vent the following out, because I feel I have the right to say it for I was once an officer. And during my tenure serving for BnQ, I really do believe that Baz and the Officer Community have given more support to you, Pete, than ever being credited for.

Anyway like Prelate once posted (http://immune-systems.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=16627&postcount=13) with "his thirst for blood" :banana: ;)
There is very little that is not said about this already, or very little that needs to be said still. All in all Tory did not played that much of a factor for us leaving

Anyway let's close this chapter chaps. Stop with the "stories" and just get on with the battle against destros, after all this is Warhammer :P And you guys are far in better position, and too good to even bother responding further. Plus there are plently more to celebrate in BnQ community than looking behind. What matters now .. is now :beer:

[ventai]

Potatoes......:drink:

[Ostalic]

somebody had to do that. i wanted boobies :DPotatoes......:drink: